FJ Software

FJ hat geschrieben:Besides this a SMS coists money (in the most cases) so its better if the user uses the specialkey inaware that he reawant to send the message now.Just [Enter] can raise problems if you dot think of the hotke.

My argument is that most users that use the chat function are used to chat programs and knows that Enter does mean "Send". They know that chatting is a special way of sending messages and that these messages rarely contains line breaks. And even if they don't know, it will only cost them an sms before they learn, and the (unfinished) message is still being sent to the recipient, so nothing is actually lost.

Besides, personally I pay about 1 euro-cent (0.01 €) per SMS, which I don't think is not a lot of money, at least here in Denmark. Many people also pay a fixed amount every month to be able to send as many SMS'es as they like for "free" (= flat rate SMS).

But now you heard my view, let's see if other users miss being able to press Enter too. Remember though that probably very few take the time or trouble to write it here - my guess is that for every person writing something here in the forum there are 100 others thinking about it but not doing it...

About options: I hear your point. My view is that the more options, the more users can make the program suit his or her personal needs. The users might not all be able to set the options themselves, but then they ask a friend like me (a computer professional) who then sets up the program settings as they like it, making them happy with the program.

But I guess many options makes it harder for you to test the program and therefore you don't want that many options?

FJ hat geschrieben:2) OK, in the next update i will gray out the Textfield

3) It will be also added in the next update

4) I will add it

5) I will look what i can do

Thanks, FJ!

You have good arguments

Sent SMS - Time info

It's not possible to get the "send date and time" from phone if the message wasn't send directly from MyPhoneExplorer. Off course, the timestamp of sending is shown in the phone, but there's no way of getting that out from it. At incoming SMS there are timestamps from SMS Service-Center, at outgoing SMS this timestamps are missing.
This is also a problem with other phones and software and isn't a problem of this software.

Hi, I have used the MPE for 2 years and I'm very happy with this great software (except this problem).

However, before using this SE, I had used a Nokia 8310 and the phone manager software (not Nokia one) can get the time and date of the sent sms. I still think there are some ways to get the time and date. I have a half of thousand sent sms so I don't want to change the time of each one. Could you please try one more time on this problem?


The 'Outbox' contains the sms copied from my phone, the 'Sent messages' contains the sms that I sent using this software.

Just Enter to send a message: I agree with you, Jesper! Just like in an ordinary chat.

FJ, and what about my question?

@cHeRsAnYa: Sorry, there is no way to put a note in the standby-screen.

@secubie:

I had used a Nokia 8310

Thats the point, you cannot compare the interfaces of SE with the interfaces of SE. You can trust me that its not possible. I searched long time for a solution.

@Jesper;Leif: I remember when i downloaded Trillian cause the ICQ-Client did not work anymore. It was VERY annoying for me that the message has got send everytime i Enter. Is it so hard to use Shift+Enter or CTRL+Enter ?

FJ hat geschrieben:Is it so hard to use Shift+Enter or CTRL+Enter ?

Of course not, but would it clutter the settings too much to make it an option?
All the chat programmes I use have Enter = Send message and Ctrl+Enter = New line. No big deal, though.

FJ hat geschrieben:You have good arguments

Thanks

FJ hat geschrieben:Is it so hard to use Shift+Enter or CTRL+Enter ?

I can learn it, of course, especially if Ctrl+Enter could work, but I am sure I would make at least 30 mistakes before I really learn it, because it is so counter-intuitive to me.

For me, though, Shift+Enter has always just been "insert hard line break" in Word; I can't remember it has ever meant "Send message" in any program I have used, so Shift+Enter is only the third thing my fingers intuitively try, after Enter (followed by Backspace ) and Ctrl+Enter (followed by Backspace again ).

I just tell my immediate reaction here, as I think those reactions can be quite valuable to get from the users. When I learn the little quirks in the program I get blind to them, but they still add to the general feeling of the program; does it act like other programs and thereby feel intuitive, or does it act strange in some ways and is thereby a little harder to learn to use and a little harder to use on a daily basis, because you have to remember their quirks?

Programs that act like most other programs feel nice and comfortable to me. It is like they speak the same language as I and the other programs, without dialects, so that I can communicate with them without thinking - my fingers intuitively makes the program do what I want it to do. It doesn't matter if that language seems strange when you think deeper about it, as long as most programs talk that same language.

This is also why I am still -- after more than a year's use of MyPhoneExplorer -- confused to find the Settings menu item in the File menu - the Settings item is normally placed in the Tools menu (and I would have called the Extras menu "Tools", simply to make the interface similar to other programs). It might not make any special sense that Settings is placed in a Tools menu, but it is normal and thus easy to find if it is placed there.

Still, it really does feel counterintuitive to me that Enter does not work as "Send message" in a chat window! (I don't surrender easily ). And the input box in the chat dialog is so small that it does not appeal in any way to me to write long messages that might need a line break. "So why can't I use Enter", I think to myself, "It feels unnecessary to disallow this". It feels to me as an unnecessary restriction. It would really be so cool to be able to use Enter!

So it would be so great to have it as an option! And when a program gets more features, I don't see any problem in these new features getting their own share of options. Right now, the chat feature hasn't got any options at all! Now that's really unfair to that cute little chat feature! Think of its feelings!

Another thing, by the way: It would also be cool if Ctrl+A would select the entire text in the input field. I often use that in input fields to delete the whole message (Ctrl+A, Delete) -- or just to take a copy of it (Ctrl+A, Ctrl+C) in case the computer or program should crash when I press Send. It is a good habit I have developed when writing texts in input boxes in my browser, having lost too many long messages due to crashes or buggy systems .

I do have to say again that it is SO COOL with the new chat function! Now I can follow my conversations with different people in different windows on my computer! So cool! I love it!

Hey, I just came up with a new idea: (1) I would actually like to have all my sms'es open in chat windows corresponding to their senders, even if a chat has not been initiated by me! (Of course as an option again, because not everybody would like this... ) Then all my sms communication when I am sitting by my computer appears as chat conversations just like Messenger. It makes it much easier to follow several conversations at a time.

And another wish: (2) A vertically resizable chat input field - it is just a little too small sometimes. I know I can change the window width to make the field wider, but that's not quite the same, as I like my chat windows to be narrow.

And another: (3) The "Send message" text in the "Send message" button appears to be the same as the tooltip text for the "Send message" button in the "New message" dialog (Toolbars|SendSMS in the language file). This seems to make it impossible for translators like me to attach a keyboard accelerator key (like "&Send message") to the button. Could the chat "Send message" button have its own text string?

Jesper Hertel hat geschrieben:Could the chat "Send message" button have its own text string?

The same applies to the "Start chat" item in the right click menu for contacts - this also seems to use the "Start chat" tooltip and thus disallows keyboard accelerators.

FJ hat geschrieben:I know its highly wanted but there are no operations through OBEX which allow moving files.

Dear FJ, thank You for Your MPE! It's the greatest!
Well, Would You just emulate this MPE to work for me and use Temp dir on my PC to move files?
It's not so hard to realize, right? But users will be glad

This would mean that it needs about 1 minute time to rename one MP3-File. Never - that can't be a solution.

@Jesper/Leif: OK, your arguments are good. I am not the standard-user and i should not always look what i find good. Optional Enter-swap will be implemented. Some other settings for the chatwindow ? (I am thinking of own settings directly in the chatwindow)

The other suggestions:
- CTRL+A will be added
- starting chat not initiated by you: This works already if you start the chat in the SMS-Popupwindow. A fully chatview from past messages is too buggy cause missing timestamps of sent items.
- vertically movable textwindow - will be added
- in future we have 3 accelerator to send a message. not enought ?

FJ hat geschrieben:This would mean that it needs about 1 minute time to rename one MP3-File. Never - that can't be a solution.

FJ, i'd like just clarify my suggestion.
Well, You are right about 1 minute renaming, BUT file operation may be optional and have clear explanation for users to be patient or not to use it.
Moreover renaming it's not so critical, but moving between phone and MMC would be really useful features and 1 minute will not be so terrible..

Well, You are boss, You decide.

Yes - but this slow operations only for moving files ? You can move the file inside the phone in a few seconds (also from Phonestorage to Card)

Well, You are right.
But would You take into account my two cents anyway?
Look, i'm about really useful tool - Image wizard. It's perfect when i need to make image for contact list from photos on phone.

But would You ..
1. ..give a dialog to upload a new file from Image wizard into other place of Phone or MMC (not fixed one)?
2. ..add simple tool for changing sharpness, brightness and contrast?

Thank You in advance.

FJ hat geschrieben:Optional Enter-swap will be implemented.

Thanks, FJ! It takes a great man to listen to arguments and be convinced into changing one's mind!

FJ hat geschrieben:Some other settings for the chatwindow ? (I am thinking of own settings directly in the chatwindow)

Hm, I will give that a little thought...

Maybe the chat partner name could be a link to his or her contact information in the Contacts, i.e. opening the Edit contact window? That could be quite useful. If the person gives information like new address, birthday, or other stuff, it would be easy to enter the information into the contact information for that person. This is not a local setting as you asked for, but the idea just popped up...

FJ hat geschrieben:CTRL+A will be added

Great!

FJ hat geschrieben:starting chat not initiated by you: This works already if you start the chat in the SMS-Popupwindow.

Hm, I just get a balloon tip and don't how to initiate a chat from there (besides, it tends to disappear too quickly). Maybe I should change that setting then to get a popup window...

What I meant was actually that I would like all sms'es to automatically start a chat with the sender of the sms, just like Windows Live Messenger or other chat programs. That is, the incoming message immediately shows up in a new chat window (not taking focus, of course, just showing a balloon tip with the message and flashing the task bar icon of the newly created window, like Messenger does) - or in an existing chat window, if a chat is already active with that person.

Another, smaller, wish, is that when I select a message in the Inbox and press "Start chat", the message I selected would be shown as the first message in the chat box. Wouldn't that be relatively easy to implement and make good sense?

FJ hat geschrieben:A fully chatview from past messages is too buggy cause missing timestamps of sent items.

Yes, I figured that out and therefore did not propose that, although it would be very useful! Why the heck doesn't Sony Ericsson provide time stamps on sent messages in the API????????? It makes so little sense to me...

FJ hat geschrieben:- vertically movable textwindow - will be added

Thanks!

FJ hat geschrieben:in future we have 3 accelerator to send a message. not enought ?

The difference is that two of them are completely invisible to the user - the user has to know them or experiment to find them. The nice thing with underlined &-shortcuts is that they are immediately visible to the user as underlined letters. The user does not have to know anything - he can immediately learn the shortcut (one of them) by looking for an underlined letter. I use that a lot myself, as I am a keyboard maniac. I have noticed that Microsoft does a big job in always having accelerator keys like that to almost all functions - and I love them for that!

Jesper Hertel hat geschrieben:Hm, I just get a balloon tip and don't how to initiate a chat from there (besides, it tends to disappear too quickly). Maybe I should change that setting then to get a popup window...

Wauw, that is a great popup window! Very functional.

(1) What about Ctrl+Backspace to delete the last word in the chat input window? Ppppplease?

(2) I just noticed that when a new message arrived, the chat window did not scroll down so that I could view the entire message - I could only see the first few lines. Would it be possible to make it autoscroll?

(3) When I give (or a new message gives) a chat window focus, it also sends the MyPhoneExplorer main window on top, covering what I am working with... This is confusing and annoying. I would like to just use the chat window without the main application window coming up also and without other chat windows also coming on top - because sometimes they too follow the active chat window and change their z-order.

(4) Also, when I have send a chat message (pressed Send message), I immediately go back to what I worked with. But when the message has been send by the program, a standard sound is played and focus is returned to the chat window. That is annoying... Wishes:

a) No "focus stealing" just because a chat message has been sent.

b) Could the sound be another sound that sounds more "successfull" and less disturbing or even be turned off? Could it maybe be adjustable in the central Windows sounds selector (Control panel -> Sounds) or so?

(5) When a new message that is part of a chat arrives, it seems unnecessary and confusing that both the new message popup window and the chat window pops up with the message. It should be enough that the chat window asked for attention (see (6)). The New message window could contain the message, but not ask for attention and absolutely not "steal" it.

(6) When a new message arrives, the focus is stealed. This could be a problem, because if I am writing something in Word followed by Enter or Ctrl+Enter/Shift+Enter, I could send that in the chat by accident. Focus should not be stealed. Instead, the chat window should flash in the taskbar, and a balloon popup could show (part of) the message. Kind of like Windows (Live) Messenger.

@Splinty:
1) good idea, if its doable without big problems i will add an optional folderbrowser for uploading
2) already thought about this but i had up to jet no time to make it

@Jesper: requests over request . If did alot of changes in the chatwindow since the official version - especially i have rewritten the focus-behavior. Please try the beta - the CTRL+Enter is still not implemented but many other requests are working now.

FJ hat geschrieben:Please try the beta

I wonder why the current beta version (nightly 4709-05-09 22:53:36) only looks up the names of SMS senders on my SIM card and not in my phone? The contacts on my SIM card are more of a backup for me in case my phone stops working and I need to use my old Nokia phone instead. They are not updated.

Due to this I am a little scared to use the beta, in case this bug somehow affects other things too...